Humans Were Living Here Before the Neanderthals
We already reviewed the finding that the DNA Shows that Neandertals Were Not Our Ancestors, also, confirming it, a newer (2004) Study Shows Neanderthals Were Not Our Ancestors, as Katerina Harvati et al demonstrated that:
Today we are going to see that Humans existed even before the Neanderthals:
Herto's Human Skull, photo by David L. Brill.
"...these new [Homo sapiens] fossils predate classic Neanderthals and lack their derived features."
White TD, Asfaw B, DeGusta D, Gilbert H, Richards GD, Suwa G, Howell FC. Pleistocene Homo sapiens from Middle Awash, Ethiopia. Nature. 2003 Jun 12;423(6941):742-7.
"The archaeological assemblages contain elements of both [late] Acheulean and Middle Stone Age technocomplexes. Associated faunal remains indicate repeated, systematic butchery of hippopotamus [and bovine] carcasses. Contemporary adult and juvenile Homo sapiens fossil crania manifest bone modifications indicative of deliberate mortuary practices."
Clark JD, Beyene Y, WoldeGabriel G, Hart WK, Renne PR, Gilbert H, Defleur A, Suwa G, Katoh S, Ludwig KR, Boisserie JR, Asfaw B, White TD. Stratigraphic, chronological and behavioural contexts of Pleistocene Homo sapiens from Middle Awash, Ethiopia. Nature. 2003 Jun 12;423(6941):747-52.
Commenting on these two articles we found the next two ones (supportive and semi-supportive, respectively):
Stringer C. Nature. 2003 Jun 12;423(6941):692-3, 695 (PDF). Human evolution: Out of Ethiopia.
Faupl P, Richter W, Urbanek C. Nature. 2003 Dec 11;426(6967):621-2; discussion 622 (PDF). Geochronology: dating of the Herto hominin fossils.
Response to Faupl by the original authors Tim D. White et al
Tim D. White in full conversation.
A popular comment related to the same finding of Herto:
examining the skulls of modern humans and Neanderthals as well as 11 existing species of non-human primates found strong evidence that Neanderthals differ so greatly from Homo sapiens as to constitute a different species... The study found that the differences measured between modern humans and Neanderthals were significantly greater than those found between subspecies or populations of the other species studied. The data also showed that the difference between Neanderthals and modern humans was as great or greater than that found between closely related primate species.Harvati K, Frost SR, McNulty KP. Neanderthal taxonomy reconsidered: implications of 3D primate models of intra- and interspecific differences. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2004 Feb 3;101(5):1147-52.
Today we are going to see that Humans existed even before the Neanderthals:
Herto's Human Skull, photo by David L. Brill."...these new [Homo sapiens] fossils predate classic Neanderthals and lack their derived features."
White TD, Asfaw B, DeGusta D, Gilbert H, Richards GD, Suwa G, Howell FC. Pleistocene Homo sapiens from Middle Awash, Ethiopia. Nature. 2003 Jun 12;423(6941):742-7.
"The archaeological assemblages contain elements of both [late] Acheulean and Middle Stone Age technocomplexes. Associated faunal remains indicate repeated, systematic butchery of hippopotamus [and bovine] carcasses. Contemporary adult and juvenile Homo sapiens fossil crania manifest bone modifications indicative of deliberate mortuary practices."
Clark JD, Beyene Y, WoldeGabriel G, Hart WK, Renne PR, Gilbert H, Defleur A, Suwa G, Katoh S, Ludwig KR, Boisserie JR, Asfaw B, White TD. Stratigraphic, chronological and behavioural contexts of Pleistocene Homo sapiens from Middle Awash, Ethiopia. Nature. 2003 Jun 12;423(6941):747-52.
Commenting on these two articles we found the next two ones (supportive and semi-supportive, respectively):
Stringer C. Nature. 2003 Jun 12;423(6941):692-3, 695 (PDF). Human evolution: Out of Ethiopia.
"...possible early H. sapiens fossils... are scattered across Africa at sites such as Florisbad (South Africa), Ngaloba (Tanzania), Eliye Springs and Guomde (Kenya), Omo Kibish (Ethiopia), Singa (Sudan) and Jebel Irhoud (Morocco). But the best dated of these finds, from Florisbad and Singa, are problematic because of incompleteness and, in the latter case, evidence of disease..."Stringer is in the Human Origins Group at The Natural History Museum, London.
"...the most securely dated and complete early fossils that unequivocally share an anatomical pattern with today’s H. sapiens are actually from Israel, rather than Africa. These are the partial skeletons from Skhul and Qafzeh..."
"The [more recently found (2003) Herto] fossils are complete enough to show a suite of modern human characters... Three individuals are represented by separate fossils: a nearly complete adult cranium (skull parts excluding the lower jaw), a less complete juvenile cranium, and some robust cranial fragments from another adult... there seems to be enough morphological evidence to regard the Herto material as the oldest definite record of what we currently think of as modern H. sapiens."
Faupl P, Richter W, Urbanek C. Nature. 2003 Dec 11;426(6967):621-2; discussion 622 (PDF). Geochronology: dating of the Herto hominin fossils.
"the estimated maximum age () is valid... the maximum age () can reliably be used for this important anthropological material."Faupl is in the Department of Geological Sciences, University of Vienna.
Response to Faupl by the original authors Tim D. White et al
:"...the Upper Herto archaeological and palaeontological remains, including the newly identified Homo sapiens idaltu, are securely constrained..."
Tim D. White in full conversation.A popular comment related to the same finding of Herto:
"Three fossilized skulls discovered near the Ethiopian village of Herto in 1997 have now been identified as the oldest known remains of modern humans... modern humans existed thousands of years before the Neanderthals"Then, a conversation with Tim D. White (notice that part 4 is entitled: "Discovery of the Earliest Human").
posted by fdocc | 11:48 AM
4 Comments:
Neanderthals were human. Fully. I think they even found some wearing chain mail.
The existance of multiple human morphologies is not a problem for either ID or Creationism. These morphologies are simply parts of the design plan. Note that the morphologies are distinct -- one does not gradually form into another -- but comes about all-of-a-sudden, because the different morphologies are all pre-coded.
The morphologies I am aware of:
Erectus, Neanderthal, Flores, and Sapien.
In fact, it seems like there might have been a time trigger to change morphologies as well, since the change from Erectus to Sapien occurred independently at several locations all at once.
crevo,
"Skull Details Suggest Neanderthals Were Not Humans"
"Telltale Face Betrays Neandertals as Non-Human"
Related to Homo Erectus as being not Homo sapiens and of course, not human "ancestors":
"Java Skull Raises Questions on Human Family Tree"
"Growth study of wild chimpanzees challenges assumptions about early humans"
The same things declared, related to Neandertals and to Erectus, can be said as well of the Homo floresiensis.
Next, an interesting personal message that I received:
Dear Fernando Castro-Chavez;
I checked out the information you sent on modern humans predating
Neandertal. The Herto finds are currently dated at 195,000 years old, while Neandertal is dated to as old as 230,000 or 300,000 years old.
The Herto find predates "classic Neandertal" finds in Europe, but doesn’t predate the earliest examples of Neandertal. "The current conclusion drawn from fossil evidence is that Neanderthals emerged at least
230,000 years and maybe even 300,000 years ago." is the common statement made about when Neandertal appeared. This is why I made my statement in my book ( Solving the Mystery of the Biblical Flood, by Wm Scott Anderson, 2001. Pp. 83-7. ), the scientific opinion is that Neandertal predates Herto. Herto
by the way is considered modern, but not fully modern. So, unfortunately as much as I wish you did, you don’t have evidence of modern humans predating Neandertal. Unless you can overturn the early dates for the
appearance of Neandertal. There is Archaic Homo Sapiens which predates Neandertal, but the problem with Archaic, is that some of the finds grouped under this classification are clearly Homo Erectus which was of course an extinct upright walking ape. Other Archaic finds are possibly early Homo Sapiens. If a clear distinction would be made between these different finds that have been lumped under the Archaic classification, the human Archaic finds with early dates would be clear predating of Neandertal.
It would take an expert in the field to do this major of a reclassification and have his findings accepted. Until if and when such a reclassification is done, I would tread with caution on using Archaic finds as evidence due to the current mixing of probable human remains with an extinct ape. I believe that some of Archaic and all of Cro-Magnon
were human, but I could be wrong. Hard to reconstruct someone from just a few pieces of old broken bones.
Sincerely Yours;
Wm Scott Anderson.
I'm very sorry to see how you, intelligent people of modern times with all the knowledge available at hand, waste your brain and time spreading ignorance like this.
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